In this episode, ASPI’s executive director, Justin Bassi, speaks with Jason Healey, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs specialising in cyber conflict, competition and cooperation.

Jason wrote and edited the book A fierce domain: cyber conflict, 1986–2012 and has held a number of senior cybersecurity roles, including in the Pentagon as a founding member of Joint Task Force—Computer Network Defense, and as director for cyber infrastructure protection in the White House from 2003 to 2005.

Bassi and Healey discuss the importance of understanding the implications of cyberspace on security and society and explain why cyber needs to be at the heart of national security.