In this episode, Brendan Nicholson talks cybersecurity with the former chief of both the US National Security Agency and Cyber Command, and now distinguished visiting fellow with ASPI’s International Cyber Policy Centre, Admiral Mike Rogers. See here for an in-depth Strategist piece on the interview.

Later in the podcast, Renee Jones talks to Malcolm Davis and Hannah Smith about the tactics used in the Battle of Winterfell on Game of Thrones and the strategic implications for the rest of the show’s final series.